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@VitelulCabrat Astept o total dominanz. Lewis forever. Daimler uber alles. Deutschlands krieg mit Italien.

@lol Nu dar vreau sa spulber orice sperante cum ca vezi doamne Mercedes se vor retrage in 2021. Echipa este profitabila, genereaza expunere si bani pentru compania mama, iar succesu.... nu succesul... ce modul brutal si total in care domina nu poate insemna pentru Daimler decat mai multa putere. Singura chestie e ca FIA sa mentina arhitectura de baza V6 hibrid. Luand toate titlurile la constructori pana in 2021, au deja un loc ancorat al lor neegalag nici de echipe cu state mai vechi in F1. Sunt aici sa arate ca brandul Mercedes-Benz inseamna excelenta si succes absolut.

@Vali Nu fi asa de sigur ca se retrag in 2021. Conditia esentiala pe care Daimler a pus-o lui Lauda si Wolff sa ramana in F1 pe termen lung a fost sa fie minim in top 3 la constructori. Recent au obtinut ok-ul consiliului din Brackley sa isi extinda si mai mult facilitatile si investitiile in Brackley, lucrari care vor incepe in 2019. Un nou tunel de vant, sicladire noua pentru ingineri si aerodinamicieni. Si James Allen a spus ca accelerarea investitiilor la Brackley sustin ideea ca vor sa ramana si sa domine pe termen lung F1. Chiar si daca F1 pierde din fani, ei castiga oricum mai mult. Sponsorizarile, parteneriatele tehnice toate vor creste odata cu succesul extins la nivelul unui deceniu aproape. Gandestetece pozitie de forta vor avea pentru negocierile de distributie a banilor incepand din 2021, chiar daca se vrea o redistribuire a fondurilor. Important e ca si daca mai ia Vettel un titlu pana in 2021, Mercedes sa ia titlurile la constructori pana in 2020, toate, la rand si consecutive. Vin la masa negocierilor pentru alocarea de bani, de pe aceasi pozitie cu Ferrari. Intr-adevar pierd ceva bani daca F1 la general pierde bani, dar isi intaresc enorm pozitia strategica si economica pentru negocierile din 2021. Un asemenea succes de 7 campionate la constructori la randle va aduce oricum mai multi bani decat actualul Concorde unde castigao suma frumusica indeplinind conditia de a avea 2 campionate la constructori la rand. Si sa mais tii un lucru. Conform datelor valabile in 2017, luandu-se in calcul tot ce cheltuiesc si castiga cu salarii, investitii, dezvoltare/sponsori, bani FIA, contracte tehnice, si mie nu mi-a venit sa cred, este ca atunci cand se trage linie, Daimler datorita succesului pe pista a echipei pe care marca Mercedes-Benz il are la nivel mondial pentru Daimler AG datorita dominantei si a excelentei dominata in F1. E vorba de acea nisa pentru cumparatorii de masini de strada mai tineri si mai sportivi, unde Mercedes-Benz in mod traditional pierdea teren fatza de BMW si Audi. Succesul neintrerupt le ofera genereaza pentru Daimler pana la 3 miliarde de euro castig, mult peste orice ar face pe marketing, si nu de pus decat 30 de milioane. Nu fiule, sunt aici sa ramana si sa devoreze F1 pe termen lung. Sponsorii se vor bate care sa apara pe masina daca iau la constructori campionatul in fiecare an. F1 pierde, Mercedes pierde putin, dar strict Mercedes castiga per total mai mult decat pierde. Uite un link, https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/mercedes-f1-finances-explained_sto6355760/story.shtml The Mercedes F1 team generated an astonishing turnover of £289million in 2016, and its parent company only had to pump in around 10% of that figure - less than £30m. While they don't include the costs of the HPP powertrain division in Brixworth, the numbers suggest that F1 is a bargain for Mercedes in terms of the exposure the marque receives, certainly compared to the figures spent by rivals Porsche and Audi in WEC in recent years. The Brackley team's 2016 accounts show that turnover rose from £213.2m the previous year, to £289.4m last year. That figure includes sponsorship, income from F1's commercial rights holder, and what the team calls "marketing revenue" - the payments that it receives from Daimler AG. Costs increased by £27.9m in 2016, due to the extra R&D investment required as the team prepared for the huge changes to the 2017 regulations, and to currency exchange rate losses. There was also a £15.9m tax charge, as opposed to a £13.3m tax credit in 2015, which resulted from "a reassessment of consortium tax relief claims in prior years." The team made an operating profit of £14.3m - compared to a loss of £33.9m in 2015. However, after that tax payment was taken into account, along with interest charges, the final figure was a loss of £3.7m - very different from the post tax credit £22.2m overall loss of the previous year. Although not specified in the official accounts, the most intriguing aspect is just how modest a sum Daimler AG has to put into the team, given how it has so successfully generated both prize money and sponsorship. "I don't want to say the precise number, but the marketing contribution from Daimler is around 10% of revenue," team boss Toto Wolff told Autosport. Mercedes' F1 finances explained By AutoSport 04/10/2017 at 18:57Updated 0 The Mercedes F1 team generated an astonishing turnover of £289million in 2016, and its parent company only had to pump in around 10% of that figure - less than £30m. While they don't include the costs of the HPP powertrain division in Brixworth, the numbers suggest that F1 is a bargain for Mercedes in terms of the exposure the marque receives, certainly compared to the figures spent by rivals Porsche and Audi in WEC in recent years. ADVERTISING inRead invented by Teads The Brackley team's 2016 accounts show that turnover rose from £213.2m the previous year, to £289.4m last year. That figure includes sponsorship, income from F1's commercial rights holder, and what the team calls "marketing revenue" - the payments that it receives from Daimler AG. Costs increased by £27.9m in 2016, due to the extra R&D investment required as the team prepared for the huge changes to the 2017 regulations, and to currency exchange rate losses. There was also a £15.9m tax charge, as opposed to a £13.3m tax credit in 2015, which resulted from "a reassessment of consortium tax relief claims in prior years." The team made an operating profit of £14.3m - compared to a loss of £33.9m in 2015. However, after that tax payment was taken into account, along with interest charges, the final figure was a loss of £3.7m - very different from the post tax credit £22.2m overall loss of the previous year. Although not specified in the official accounts, the most intriguing aspect is just how modest a sum Daimler AG has to put into the team, given how it has so successfully generated both prize money and sponsorship. "I don't want to say the precise number, but the marketing contribution from Daimler is around 10% of revenue," team boss Toto Wolff told Autosport. "That is a fraction of the exposure they generate. It makes us profitable. The revenue growth is encouraging, and we've seen it in all sectors. "We've had it from TV revenues, or the prize fund, we've had revenue growth from the sponsorship side, we've had revenue growth with other income such as additional events we are hosting, and driver programmes, etc. It's an encouraging slope." The key is the constructors' championship bonus (CCB) money and the special payment made to Mercedes following the double 2014 and 2015 title successes, and which kicked in as extra income during the 2016 season. It stems from the deal that Mercedes struck with Bernie Ecclestone shortly before the start of the V6 turbo era, at a time when the top teams were negotiating for extra income in return for making a long-term commitment to F1. "What the system rewards is success on track," Wolff added. "When we discussed the deal we did in 2012 and 2013, we considered whether we wanted to invest the money in growing the business and building capability and resource in order to achieve a higher share of the prize fund. "It was a very conscious decision, and we were rewarded. "You can see from the numbers, it's not only dependent on the prize fund growth. "If you calculate in the extraordinary payment [from F1], the main growth is actually coming from sponsorship and third party revenue. "CCB is linked to the prize fund, and therefore the prize fund growing means that the CCB payments are growing. "If you're first in the CCB payments, because of your on-track record, it adds considerably. "The expectation is not to win every race or every championship, as long as you're within the top three is what we have decided with the board as the way forward. "Considering that contribution, it's great value that they are generating. What we have achieved over the last years is some credibility, that our assumptions were actually becoming reality." How the engine programme fits in As noted earlier, these numbers do not include the cost of running the HPP engine facility in Brixworth, which had a turnover of £140m in 2016. Some of that is income from F1 customers Williams, Force India and until last season Manor, but the bulk of it represents payments from Daimler AG. It is regarded as R&D expenditure, rather than being allocated to a marketing budget like the race team payments, and its costs represent just a small fraction of what a company like Mercedes spends on R&D overall. And thanks to the Project One hypercar, there is now a genuine link to production technology to help justify the F1 spending. "You must not forget that the R&D side is starting to kick in on road car production," said Wolff. "The Project One car that we have launched, and which is going to be produced in a limited series of 275 cars, is sold out. "We could have probably sold 10 times more cars. And that is the F1 engine as it is now, and the combination of the hybrid and combustion technology becomes a real part of road car technology." P.S Luand in considerare aceste rezultate, este putin probabil sa plece cu singura conditie, ca F1 sa nu se intoarca la motoare V8sau V10 cu aspiratie, si sa ramana cumva tot motor hybrid V6 ca arhitectura de baza.

91Schumi06 Iti multumesc pentru sinceritate si pentru deschidere. Chiar apreciez, de aceea la randul meu nu vreau sa te supar in mod aiurea cu nimic. Uite ce am gasit despre comportamentul celor doua masini pe forums autosport. Se pare ca in toate cele trei sectoare Ferrari hits the top speed, while the Mercedes chaasis it's a beast. Ferrari au lucrat mult si bine sa nu mai aiba o draggy car, dar facand asta cred ca au pierdut la capitolul maximum downforce. Au castigat pe liniile drepte dar pierd mai mult in viraje. Enjoy Who said chassis is fine...see the S3 time, we are not good in traction sectors also. actually i see ferrari engines in the top positions in most of the the traps, maybe the chassis isn’t that good? Seb said he had a mistake at Turn 13, but anyway it seems the chassis-aero is the problem, the peak power of the PU judging from the other Ferrari engined cars looks very good, maybe Wolff was saying truth for once about Ferrari maybe the most powerful Actually Ferrari is fastest in all speed traps recorded , seems Mercedes chassis is a beast as well Before the braking point at the first turn, Vettel is in front, the Ferrari is quicker down the straight but Hamilton overcome the gap and overtake Vettel in the braking zone, after the first part of the corner Hamilton is already in front. And then it just atrocious how powerful the Mercedes is, it literally pull away from the first corner like a rocket, Vettel is already way behind. Mercedes power and traction is phenomenal, just the first corner say it all. IMHO all the gap lost is there, at the first corner : - braking zone Vettel is slower - it seems Hamilton is carrying much more speed throughout the first part of the chicane - acceleration right after the first right hander of the chicane is where Hamilton is flying, it’s just insane. - At the end of the first chicane, Hamilton is already way in front of Vettel, despite the Ferrari was in front before the braking zone.

Stire interesanta despre motoare. Totto Wolff spune ca in privinta puterii absolute motorul Ferrari are mai multi cai putere decat motorul Mercedes (peak power), dar ca motorul Mercedes e mai eficient, consuma per total mai putin carburant decat motorul Ferrari care e mai thirsty. Renault sunt la 30-40 de cai in spate. Nu pot intelege, cu naiba au pierdut Mercedes avantajul de cai putere fata de Ferrari. Aveau 10-15 la final de 2017.